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sharps_xp 58 minutes ago [-]
I went to restaurant last night and asked where the chicken was sourced from and their response was "it's not the usual place we get chicken, but it's US Farm Raised Hatched", but I misinterpreted the her answer as a distributor name but then I realized even if I had a name, I probably couldn't figure out past that whether or not these chickens were pasture raised. If food labels are law, why doesn't this apply to where restaurants source their ingredients?
Are food labels required to identify where they're sourced from? I don't think so?
stronglikedan 3 minutes ago [-]
The new QR codes (to replace the 2D UPCs) that manufacturers and merchants are moving to will contain source information and even which lot it came from.
bushbaba 48 minutes ago [-]
It’s not but they should list country of origin for the ingredients
sgc 8 minutes ago [-]
In the US I also want to know State of Origin. Not all state food and agricultural department regulations and inspections are the same.
pc86 47 minutes ago [-]
"Should" or "are required to?"
sgc 3 minutes ago [-]
Regulations are minimal compared to what most consumers would want and expect.
Depends on the thing. Olive oil, for example, is required to list its country/countries of origin
Miner49er 38 minutes ago [-]
Restaurants don't even have to track and disclose what allergens their food contains.
ecshafer 2 minutes ago [-]
Good. Restaurants are hectic to work in. Menus can change quickly, and many dishes are being cooked and prepped at once. Cross contamination chances are high, so if a restaurant MUST say an allergen is not in X,Y,Z they basically can't have it in their restaurant at all.
rhinoceraptor 5 minutes ago [-]
It's crazy how nothing has been done in the US about this. I got an egg allergy in my late 20s, I had never thought about it before and now eating at restaurants is such a hassle. Even the delivery apps seem to have zero affordances for food allergies, at least with a restaurant you can get some assurance by asking the staff.
I wonder how high the ongoing implementation cost of that would be and how that would affect choice between small, specialized and large, integrated suppliers. Sysco can probably hand me a single sheet I can use without any extra work.
jmole 37 minutes ago [-]
I think if you watch video of a massive meatpacking plant, you'll pretty quickly realize how hard it would be to track. At the commodity scale, basically no one in the supply chain other than the rancher seems to care where the meat comes from. And the brands (Tyson, Smithfield, etc.) only want consumers to care about the logo on the box.
Literally the canonical example of capitalism-as-meat-grinder.
sharps_xp 12 minutes ago [-]
trying to convert a massive meatpacking plan isn't step 1. it's too big a problem. that's top down. probably easier bottom up -- have a processing plant that only sources from ranchers that grass feed/finish, pasture raise, and slowly subsidize other ranchers to stop sending their product to massive meatpacking plants.
Danox 27 minutes ago [-]
Tyson and Smithfield are the worst two brands in the USA that you can get any meat from.
dyauspitr 46 minutes ago [-]
Seems like more bureaucracy that would make it even harder for new restaurants to get set up and the paperwork they would have to maintain in order to provide that information.
inigyou 15 minutes ago [-]
How hard would it be for them to know their immediate supplier?
38 minutes ago [-]
vkou 45 minutes ago [-]
Such are the wages of destroying trust in the supply chain.
When you elect visibly corrupt people who promised to destroy that trust upstream, you double the burden for everyone downstream from them.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
cube00 55 minutes ago [-]
It's next level for a family owned company act like they have stock holders to please by cutting corners rather then doing the right thing.
Aurornis 38 minutes ago [-]
> family owned company act like they have stock holders
A family owned company does have shareholders. The shareholders are the people who own the company.
There’s nothing all that special about a family owned business in this regard, even though they want you to believe it’s completely different. Family owned is a loose term anyway. Large companies are large companies.
ericmcer 20 minutes ago [-]
if anything they are even more tight fisted because every penny is theirs.
publicly traded/vc funded companies have always paid me the most because the money isn’t really theirs.
UltraSane 23 minutes ago [-]
Every family-owned company I've worked for was has been owned by a greedy family.
darth_avocado 19 minutes ago [-]
It’s a multi billion dollar corporation. It’s not a mom and pop 10 acre farm. Family owned means nothing at that point.
There's a tendency to want to be nice to farmers who own "family owned farms" because it evokes imagery steeped in quaint classical Americana. It is mostly from misinformation that this impression arises. Don't feel bad for a family owned farm that isn't going well. They get special bankruptcy rules, they can sell off their very valuable land as a backstop, and most of all they are probably not as small and quaint and cute as you think they are.
ratelimitsteve 6 minutes ago [-]
stockholders? no. stakeholders? absolutely.
gowld 23 minutes ago [-]
The WalMart Waltons are a "family"
At the core, "Family-owned" just means nepotism is preferred over merit.
(The mob is also "Family-owned")
darth_avocado 19 minutes ago [-]
SpaceX is more “family owned” than Walmart.
morkalork 21 minutes ago [-]
Mary Antoinette should've tried that line "It's not a monarchy, just a family-owned state"
senthil_rajasek 1 hours ago [-]
I have not been following this very closely but it seems like the source of this cyclospora contamination has been very challenging to identify.
Especially because it takes weeks before the infected start showing symptoms.
Isn't it reasonable to update the official statement as new information emerges?
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?”
-John Maynard Keynes.
Wistar 50 minutes ago [-]
I have gone down that quote’s rabbit hole before and it looks a lot more apocryphal than Maynard.
> Especially because it takes weeks before the infected start showing symptoms.
I just wanted to say that your phrasing here is a fabulously ominous one for the first episode of an HBO show.
senthil_rajasek 28 minutes ago [-]
Ha! Seems like I am living in one these days.
Danox 30 minutes ago [-]
Explosive diarrhea doesn’t take long to show up, and it may be hard to identify which company or who’s responsible when you fired all of the people from the department that it’s supposed to police those type of things.
godwinson__4-8 18 minutes ago [-]
Isn't the "explosive" superfluous?
Isn't all diarrhea explosive? Has anyone had "unexplosive" diarrhea? Or what aspect of the ordinance renders it "explosive"? And the cause is essentially exposure of the foodstuffs (in this case, likely leafy greens) to feces?
So poop causes poop.
Who pooped in my salad :(
hightrix 3 minutes ago [-]
As an IBS enjoyer, no, not all diarrhea is explosive.
peder 40 minutes ago [-]
And TBF, I don't think they've established why the issue is so prevalent in Michigan specifically, since Taylor Farms apparently doesn't have any unique connection to Michigan.
gazebo2 31 minutes ago [-]
Took me a sec to realize you weren't quoting the guy from Tool lol
TylerE 59 minutes ago [-]
What changed is that right after the CEO visited the White House, a retraction was issued. This White House does not have a history of being factual, but does have a history of doing "favors" for big donors, which Taylor Farms is.
dabraham1248 35 minutes ago [-]
Mostly to be a pedantic devil's advocate here, I'm going to argue with something you're not saying. I've heard a _lot_ of people argue that the visit is _proof_ of corruption. You're just pointing out the possibility and I'm hoping to head off a bad path.
Anyway, if a company is being declared the source of a multi-state outbreak, that company _should_ be talking to the WH. And it's possible that some of those discussions would present evidence that _should_ result in a retraction.
For example, during heartbleed my grand-boss was in on calls with the WH (I don't work on openssl, at the time I worked on a product that _used_ openssl a couple of layers down). AIUI, official guidance changed because of those calls.
If we want to find proof of corruption, this is a place to start looking, not a place to stop.
foxyv 29 minutes ago [-]
Unfortunately, the mark of corruption spreads to everything it touches. Once you are seen taking bribes for pardons, engaging in crypto scams, and manipulating the stock market to make billions you no longer are given the benefit of the doubt. There is zero evidence for corruption in this case, other than all of the blatant corruption elsewhere. Worse, the person involved is responsible for investigating the corruption.
Deficit spending the biggest ponzi ever invented. Thanks Keynes
inigyou 13 minutes ago [-]
Fiat currency (including bitcoin) is a bigger ponzi, and the stock market (including crypto project tokens) is a bigger ponzi than that.
pc86 1 hours ago [-]
Marketing blogspam by an ambulance chasing attorney who stands to make a lot of money from this if public perception moves a certain way.
curuinor 39 minutes ago [-]
How much of a sin is it for the ambulance-chaser to chase ambulances if the ambulances are there and legitimate? This is what the tort law is for. He's not the one who sprayed feces-water on the lettuce...
pixlmint 21 minutes ago [-]
Started out with "It's not X, it's also Y", followed by an em-dash. I didn't read any further than that.
8 minutes ago [-]
ratelimitsteve 6 minutes ago [-]
engaging with the identity of the arguer rather than the argument. 5 yard penalty, loss of down.
t1234s 48 minutes ago [-]
I was always under the impression that disease and pesticide don't usually just "wash off" at home.
maxlybbert 12 minutes ago [-]
I remember seeing advice, years ago, to let lettuce sit in a weak bleach solution before use. But I doubt that’s ever been followed by many people. Current advice (at least at home) seems to be to rinse lettuce to remove dirt ( https://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheet/safe-handling-of-lettuce-... ). Apparently most health problems from lettuce are on the surface and not particularly hard to get off.
ceejayoz 24 minutes ago [-]
This depends on the food and the disease/pesticide in question.
herf 44 minutes ago [-]
GPTZero "AI" score for this post: 100%
nerdsniper 20 minutes ago [-]
Why should I put any stock in what some snake oil "AI detector" says?
inigyou 11 minutes ago [-]
You shouldn't. You should instead take note of "it's not X, it's Y" and em-dashes.
Simulacra 35 minutes ago [-]
The lawyers rewrote it four times
drivebyhooting 44 minutes ago [-]
> A company’s public statement in the middle of an outbreak is not marketing. It is evidence — what the company said it knew, and when, published to the world at a moment when nobody had the benefit of hindsight.
Stopped reading immediately. If we’re just going to delegate writing to Claude, I won’t bother reading this. And maybe I’ll just delegate my decisions to Claude directly.
Barbing 39 minutes ago [-]
Kept reading and yep there’s more, so it wasn’t just the intro.
Not quoting it though since someone said they’re ambulance chasers, they’ll have to hire out a smellchecker.
peder 38 minutes ago [-]
This is an obvious next step tho? When I want news, I'll just ask Claude. Everything funnels to these providers?
https://youtu.be/G__PVLB8Nm4
https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/cool
https://food.ec.europa.eu/food-safety/campaign-2026/allergie...
Literally the canonical example of capitalism-as-meat-grinder.
When you elect visibly corrupt people who promised to destroy that trust upstream, you double the burden for everyone downstream from them.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
A family owned company does have shareholders. The shareholders are the people who own the company.
There’s nothing all that special about a family owned business in this regard, even though they want you to believe it’s completely different. Family owned is a loose term anyway. Large companies are large companies.
publicly traded/vc funded companies have always paid me the most because the money isn’t really theirs.
There's a tendency to want to be nice to farmers who own "family owned farms" because it evokes imagery steeped in quaint classical Americana. It is mostly from misinformation that this impression arises. Don't feel bad for a family owned farm that isn't going well. They get special bankruptcy rules, they can sell off their very valuable land as a backstop, and most of all they are probably not as small and quaint and cute as you think they are.
At the core, "Family-owned" just means nepotism is preferred over merit.
(The mob is also "Family-owned")
Especially because it takes weeks before the infected start showing symptoms.
Isn't it reasonable to update the official statement as new information emerges?
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” -John Maynard Keynes.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/07/22/keynes-change-mind/
I just wanted to say that your phrasing here is a fabulously ominous one for the first episode of an HBO show.
Isn't all diarrhea explosive? Has anyone had "unexplosive" diarrhea? Or what aspect of the ordinance renders it "explosive"? And the cause is essentially exposure of the foodstuffs (in this case, likely leafy greens) to feces?
So poop causes poop.
Who pooped in my salad :(
Anyway, if a company is being declared the source of a multi-state outbreak, that company _should_ be talking to the WH. And it's possible that some of those discussions would present evidence that _should_ result in a retraction.
For example, during heartbleed my grand-boss was in on calls with the WH (I don't work on openssl, at the time I worked on a product that _used_ openssl a couple of layers down). AIUI, official guidance changed because of those calls.
If we want to find proof of corruption, this is a place to start looking, not a place to stop.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2026/05/07/democra...
https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/21073697321938
https://fortune.com/2026/05/23/trump-stock-portfolio-trading...
Stopped reading immediately. If we’re just going to delegate writing to Claude, I won’t bother reading this. And maybe I’ll just delegate my decisions to Claude directly.
Not quoting it though since someone said they’re ambulance chasers, they’ll have to hire out a smellchecker.